Dave Foley is sadly confused...

My little comment. HIYA. Your arte is grrrreat!

How I suggest you look at it is just by opening both this pic and the one you drew at the same time. Then you get them both aligned to exactly the same spot and you switch between and so all that you can see is the changes made. There were some things in the pic that I saw that I could change to make the pic better (I was viewing your pic with a digital magnifying glass to you would have to be a god in order to make a pic so perfect that it is even accurate at the pixel level) but I didn't change any of those unless they were what we talked about on that pic. I did this because if I did that then it would be not as easy to tell how the defining with shading instead of lines went because right now those are all the changes you see and you don't have to bother about checking and seeing if that is what you are looking for. Hm.. I hope I didn't make that sound confusing, lol, it wasn't a difficult thing to try to describe but I prolly messed it up *Grin*.<br />
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The pic looks lighter now because, overall, it is lighter. All of those darker lines used throughout the pic made the pic darker. I was tempted (more than once) to up the contrast a little more when I was done so it wouldn't be so light, but, once again, that isn't what I was trying to show you. If you really want I can do it for you though (It won't take as long as this took me *Grin*). Oh yea, that is another thing. Sorry for taking a while to get the pic done and for keeping you waiting on a promise I made. It is just I haven't had too much time for myself. The pic only took about 20 min to edit lol, and yet it took me about a week prolly to scrounge up that time with the comp *Grin*. This is one of the main reasons why I don't have many posts up =) *Shrug* Oh well, with all of this work I am doing and schooling I'll make millions and one day have all the free time I want to make pics! =D

I didn't post it on Fanart because I didn't change it enough and it would be considered copying. Pretty much all I did was search for wherever you used lines to define an edge and smoothed it out so it relied on shading instead. I couldn't do it on all of the pic because of how heavily it relied on the lines in those areas (like the hat and shoulders). I know it is hard to define edges when there isn't much contrast between the item and whatever is behind it (or just white paper) so drawing just a line to define the edge is tempting. With Anime and such normally it is ok (they normally just use a very thin line) but with realism we don't really have that advantage. If the contrast is too insufficient to define it then sometimes I do actually draw a very light line as a definition, but that is one of those "invisible details" we were talking about. Besides, in real life, if the foreground item and the background's color/texture/lighting is the same then it can often be hard to tell where the boundary is. Sometimes it is impossible! This is especially true if there is a bright light source behind the object.

Lol yup =) It was Yuu Yuu Hakusho. I checked out the fanart for it. Good guess ;)<br />
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The pictures I drew didn't suffer too badly from being drawn from small photos, I think. The pictures just showed me how it should be in general, I knew how the details should be.<br />
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Lol woot! My friend had a basoon, I believe she named it Jimbob =D They named everything around the house, and I mean EVERYTHING. They got upset because I ate off of frank (A paper plate) ;)<br />
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I got your pic done. I tried sending it to you twice but I don't think it liked me =P I didn't want to send it again because it was 300kb and I don't know how much room you have in your inbox. I'll try a few more things though if it didn't already work.

oo drawn from photos, i see i see. that's still pretty impressive tho, if you could draw from pics that were already so small- must've been fuzzy when you blew them up.<br />
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hmm i've never really drawn people in motion before, but i've been meaning to work on that. that's a good idea, drawing from the tv/billy (hehe a lot of my possessions have names, too. meet jesse, my laptop; kurt brandon, my ipod; dave, my cd player; and mr popoff, my bass clarinet). perhaps i'll try a couple quick sketches from the good old tele-v... <br />
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lol uhh no i don't think inconsistent hair is one of goku's powers! (altho changing hair colour is!) and that spirit gun anime, was it yuu yuu hakusho? there's a kid with dark, slicked-back hair and he wears a green suit-thing and fights demons and stuff. (just a guess). <br />
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o and don't worry! take your time with my pic!

Actually I drew them from pictures ;) Both of them were about 1' X 2' and I blew it up to a full page so it was still a little hard. I did, however, do something like that yesterday. For the first time ever I drew something off of Billy (Our TV *Grin*). And also for the first time ever, I drew something that the reference was in motion *Grin* (Not paused). DBZ was on so I did that and got Goku (Is that how you spell his name?) It was confusing to watch though because I was only half paying attention to the show and also I have only seen about two episodes from it before so I was pretty lost *Grin*. The second one was from like 5 minutes of some other anime that I had seen once before but I don't know the name of it. He had a spirit gun that he shot out of his hands or something, it was odd ;) They were pretty successful too, I was surprised. It also helped me tremendously in drawing anime from my head. I think I just had a little hurdle that I didn't know how to get over and when I drew the pics from something in motion I had to have more of an understanding of how the art was. Lol, Goku's hair is all funky because if you ever watch it it never is consistent! If he turns his head his hair shifts! It is freaky *Grin*. Is that one of his super powers? =D Unfortunately they are all too light to scan. I might darken them so I can later, but I'll work on fixing up this (Your) pic first (I couldn't do it before when I was drawing because someone was on my comp).

ooo wow you've already gotten that much done? awesome! thank you so much<br />
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*sigh* tis tru most people here are more anime/manga. the only realism that people pay attention to are things like lotr and harry potter and pirates of the carribean and j-pop. o well i like dave foley and dave grohl and john cusack and those people, so i'll keep on drawing them, as you said. <br />
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aww ok. lol i understand that if your pics are in OH, it'd be kinda hard to get them. that must have been hard drawing from a model instead of a picture. i've only done it once or twice in art class, and i always feel awkward staring at someone for so long. (heh they're probably uncomfortable, too) <br />
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and yea... sometimes i don't know when to stop adding details... but i'm working on that

Heh oO;; kinda feel left out here..I dont have as much to say exept your art is wounderful!!

Lol, want to know something funny? I too would like to see those pics ;) I drew them over at my GF's hous in Ohio and now that I'm all the way over here in Cali I can't seem to get a copy (I gave one to her and one to her friend, they were the two that I drew). As soon as I get it, though, I'll send it to you ;)<br />
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Yea, there is a lot you can put into a pic to make it look good, but sometimes you can also put too much into it. When you are doing the "invisible detail" changes then it doesn't really make that much of a difference if you add too much, but if you constantly do too much or you do too much of a big change then it can effect you piece. That is another hard thing about art, knowing when to stop. I would guess that the only conventional form of art that doesn't have a problem with that is photography ;)<br />
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Hm... yea, most of the people on this web site seem to be more Anime/Magna orientated (3042 Anime/Manga pics and counting) so there probably won't be too many hits for people like Dave Foley =P But it is still cool, draw what you want to draw and don't care what anyone thinks about it except for what you think about it. If you submitted this on another type of web site that did the same type of stuff but was more realism orientated then it would have a lot more posts already.<br />
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I've already gotten the eyes, the mouth, and half the chin done already (I had a break in-between jobs). I did a little to the nose too. I'll have maybe an hour in-between jobs tomorrow so hopefully I'll be able to finish it.<br />
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Keep up the submits ;) TTYL

lol ahhh your comments amuse me. hehe i don't mind working, either (moneys!) but i was thinking skoolwork. feh that stuff is just pointless and time-consuming. <br />
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hmm looking at the orginal picture, i think the light is coming from the top, because there actually isn't much shading on the hat. heh i kinda forgot to shade part of it too- the left and right edges of the bottom part. (oops) <br />
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and yes, i agree that detail is incredibly important in all art forms. heh sometimes i lose patience or get lazy and don't add as much detail as i should, but sometimes i just want to keep working on a pic so i keep adding more and more detail. ooo i wanna see your realism pics! can you scan/submit them? yowzer 8 hours! pssh i'm not sure i'd be able to do that- lol not 8 hours straight, anyway.<br />
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hehehe i think you definitely typed enough to warrant some comments! damn but no one will look at this pic b/c not many people even know who dave foley is! ah well maybe there'll be a few comments...